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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Apr 14, 2008 8:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Steve Miller ... Sour Grapes?

By Dean Goodman Thu Apr 10, 10:32 PM ET

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Rocker Steve Miller may have honed his craft in San Francisco during the late 1960s, but don't lump him in with local bands from that time, especially the Grateful Dead.

"I couldn't stand that band," Miller said on Thursday, during a panel at a music industry symposium, recalling the Dead's interminable jams and lengthy tuning breaks between songs.

In fact, Miller said it was much more interesting to listen to frontman Jerry Garcia's stage banter than to listen to the band play its psychedelic improvisations.

The San Francisco music scene was more of a "social phenomenon," Miller said, and his eponymous band was more musical and more professional than the pack.

Miller was speaking at the "I Create Music" expo hosted by performing-rights group ASCAP. The night before, he received a lifetime achievement honor from ASCAP, and performed a half-dozen tunes, including such hits as "The Joker," "Rock 'n Me," and "Take the Money and Run."

During the panel discussion, he stressed the importance of having complete artistic control, noting that he held out for such rights when 14 labels competed to sign him after his performance at the Monterey Pop Festival in 1967. He eventually went with Capitol, which still represents him.

He recalled that he allowed the United States Postal Service to license his tune "Fly Like an Eagle" in the 1990s under an $11 million deal that gave him final approval of every aspect. But the first few television ads aired before he received the submissions in the mail, and were "awful."

Increasingly frustrated, he called the USPS and its ad agency, and told them, "You have to stop sending this stuff by Priority Mail ... Use FedEx."

"It was really bizarre working with them," he said.

Reuters/Nielsen

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Poster: Alienboy Date: Apr 15, 2008 11:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Steve Miller ... Sour Grapes?

I always liked his brother Jerry better ....lol

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Poster: jerkwaterdan Date: Apr 15, 2008 12:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Steve Miller ... Sour Grapes?

Funny he should put the Dead down,especially when one of his earliest songs 'Kow Kow Calculator' kind of rips off the Dead with some lyrics. The song sounds like its about Pigpen! It has lyrics about someone named Kow Kow who "had himself a pet alligator" and ends with a chorus of:

"Turn on your lovelight
Let it shine
Inside your heart
Turn on
your lovelight
Let it shine
Let it shine"

Curious.....

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Poster: Music Fan II Date: Apr 15, 2008 12:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Steve Miller ... Sour Grapes?

I find it interesting that you Dead Heads are having a hard time with the criticism. So what the guy didn't like what the majority of the population doesn't like. Truth e told they are not the best band out of San Francisco in the 60's. Janis,The Airplane and CCR blow the Dead out of the water. Thats a fact whether you want to see it or not

In regards to this guy claiming Miller stole Pig's lyrics. Maybe you need to look into that statement a little more before making such a claim. The Dead nor Pig have claim to:

"Turn on your lovelight
Let it shine
Inside your heart
Turn on
your lovelight
Let it shine
Let it shine"


Because they stole it themselves.

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Poster: SoxPatsMC Date: Apr 23, 2008 6:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Steve Miller ... Sour Grapes?

Ha.
The Dead are by far and away the greatest band to ever have come out of San Fran.
Period.

Steve Miller bitchin about what exactly?

Maybe he should ask the countless of amazing musicians worldwide that the Dead have shared the stage with and ask them what they think.


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Poster: jerkwaterdan Date: Apr 15, 2008 1:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Steve Miller ... Sour Grapes?

True enough that Pigpen & the Dead had no claim on the words to Turn On Your Lovelight. I never thought they did and always loved Bobby "Blue" Bland's version of the song. And even he didn't write the song. It was written by Malone/Scott and is clearly credited on the recording by the Grateful Dead.Your accusation of theft by the Grateful Dead is unfounded. Thats not my point. I was saying that the song Kow Kow Calqulator sounds like it referred to Pigpen in the song Miller wrote and recorded in 1969 for the Brave New World album. It's about a dude named Kow Kow who "kept himself a pet alligator" and also has a chorus of

"Turn on your lovelight
turn it on
Let it shine
inside your heart
Turn it on
let it shine
turn on your lovelight.....
Kow Kow Calqulator
was a very smooth operator
get back in your elevator
Kow Kow Calqulator
Turn on your lovelight
Let it shine"
turn on your lovelight
Oh let it shine!"

Now I only have heard of one other band that played the same San Francisco scene in 1969 who sang songs about alligators and turning on lovelights and that would be Pigpen and the Grateful Dead.

As far as not caring for criticism, I could give a rats ass what Steve Miller thinks about anything really. I still enjoy much of his music whether or not he cares about the Dead or not. Better musicians than Steve Miller love (& hate) the Dead.

And not only that

The worst song the Dead ever wrote pales compared to "Abbacadabra" anyway.

This post was modified by jerkwaterdan on 2008-04-15 08:46:04

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Poster: fireeagle Date: Apr 15, 2008 1:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Steve Miller ... Sour Grapes?

yes

even day job rocks as hell compared to abracadabra or electro lux imboglio (song about the vacum cleaner - lol)

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Apr 15, 2008 4:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Steve Miller ... Sour Grapes?

Only mr. zappa can sing about appliances

Joe:
Oh oh oh
Mystical advisor
What is my problem,
Tell me
Can you see?

L. ron hoover:
Well, you have nothing
To fear, my son!
You are a latent
Appliance fetishist,
It appears to me!

Joe:
That all seems very,
Very strange
I never craved
A toaster
Or a color t.v.

L. ron hoover:
A latent appliance
Fetishist
Is a person who
Refuses to admit
To his or herself
That sexual
Gratification can
Only be achieved
Through the use of
Machines...
Get the picture?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnSF36PBxbk

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Poster: jerkwaterdan Date: Apr 15, 2008 1:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Steve Miller ... Sour Grapes?

Day Job would be a step up for Steve Miller at this point in his career.

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Poster: cousinkix1953 Date: Apr 15, 2008 3:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Steve Miller ... Sour Grapes?

"The San Francisco music scene was more of a "social phenomenon," Miller said, and his eponymous band was more musical and more professional than the pack"

Too bad this old Space Cowboy jumped on the DISCO SHIT banwagon in the 70s. That was some really commercial garbage. Not all of us want to hear that crap. and those who do sure as hell don't belong on a Grteful Dead forum dominated by a bunch of hippies. Do yourself a favor and get lost...

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Apr 15, 2008 8:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Steve Miller ... Sour Grapes?

First of all I don't think Miller was purposely trying to put the band down I just think he simple didn't get it. ( edit: Never mind. I read that again and I guess it was a put down.)

Regardless, this should put things in perspective.
Anyone ever read Miles Davis's autobiography? And also Bill Grahams? Miles had nothing but positive things to say about the Dead. What did he say about Miller? I believe he arrived late on purpose so he didn't have to open for that " non playin motherfucker." Now Miles I'm sure appreciated the Dead and especially Jerry ( as he mentions ) for his musical knowledge and obvious respect that he( Jerry ) had for him compared to other pop/rock musicians, but Miles was also a musical genious. The fact that he said positives and had no problem opening up for the Dead ( although they rightfully hated it ) compared to Steve Miller is about all anyone should need to put things in perspective.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Apr 15, 2008 9:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Steve Miller ... Sour Grapes?

Amen - and I did read Miles' "motherfuckin'" autobiography (which word appears about every two sentences), but I hope Cicely Tyson didn't.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Apr 15, 2008 6:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Steve Miller ... Sour Grapes?

Hey Arb, how are you doing?

I think this is kind of old news that Miller wasn't too impressed by the Dead. I recall hearing about this attitude of his years back and wondering if I was duty bound to ditch my Steve Miller records in a show of solidarity with the band. In the end I just shrugged and carried on singing 'Take the Money and Run'...

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Apr 15, 2008 7:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Steve Miller ... Sour Grapes?

As I've quoted before "The only worse thing than being talked about is NOT being talked about". What if Mr. Miller realized that fewer and fewer people even knew who he was (as his main fan base is getting closer to senility) and wanted to stir things up a bit. Looks to me like his ploy worked and we have given him more play in our little corner of the world than he's had in years. Next thing you know David Cassidy will be quoted as saying the he always thought the Dead were a bunch of talentless bufoons playing something only loosely related to music for a bunch of mentally impaired throwbacks.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Apr 15, 2008 7:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Steve Miller ... Sour Grapes?

Yeah but with Cassidy it really was sour grapes because they wouldn't give him the backing singer gig after Donna Jean left. Poor sap even thought Weir had written a song for him too.

As regards Miller v. The Dead - this damn story seems to be just about everywhere at the moment - although I remain convinced that it's very old news.


Oh wait - hold the press - just found this from a 2006 Miller interview:

For the next several months, Miller lived in his van in the Berkeley hills, playing with a band he put together locally. Random gigs kept the heat on and fed the group while he figured out what to do next. “It was really different, because for a lot of the bands, it was more of a social phenomenon,” he says. “Some of the bands were just awful. I loved Country Joe & The Fish, and I loved going to see the Grateful Dead and listening to Jerry Garcia rap for 20 minutes. So I had to learn a whole new thing. I had just been into playing music. I wasn't into being a celebrity or rock star or dressing like Mick Jagger.”

http://mixonline.com/recording/interviews/audio_steve_miller/

So consistency obviously isn't Mr Miller's strong suit.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Apr 15, 2008 7:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Steve Miller ... Sour Grapes?

Has anyone here ever heard a show where Garcia raps for 20 min? How about for 2 minutes? I know he talked a bit more in the early days but 20 min???

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Apr 15, 2008 7:56am
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I was wondering that myself. Bet Mr Miller never went near a Grateful Dead show.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 15, 2008 8:55am
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My favorite "rap" which lasted all of 30" is from Fest Express when Jerry explains they are putting together a free show at a local park to calm the masses, and promptly gets booed, etc, by the ungracious "fans" and he closes with a classic line: "you don't have to go for it, man" or some such...(ie, I am doing exactly what you asked for, even though I don't have to, and yeah, you don't have to believe me, but there you have it).

Whatever else Jerry was, he was a great judge of a fitting "bottom line" for a scene...

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Apr 15, 2008 8:06am
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I'm thinkin' that he had to have been referring to Pig. Either that or to Donna's famous "Straight Out of Compton" Gangsta Raps.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 15, 2008 8:26am
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Donna = early Keys?

LOL.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Apr 15, 2008 7:48am
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Neither, apparently, is songwriting.


Although I will credit the guy for coming up with some excellent hooks.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Apr 15, 2008 7:38am
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"the Dead were a bunch of talentless bufoons playing something only loosely related to music for a bunch of mentally impaired throwbacks."

I think my wife said this the other night when she walked in and we were grokking the Dark Star from 12/18/73. She entered during the feedback portion of the jam. Grokking feedback??? I was defeated.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 15, 2008 8:04am
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THAT my friend, is frickin funny!!!

I gotta write that down...what a classic.

"Oh, I thought that was static and you and your strange friends were unable to communicate with one another. Glad to hear everything's okay and you have plenty of interesting sounds to bind you...off to the Charlie Manson hotline, dear...no, just sit still...the nice men will be here soon"

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Apr 15, 2008 4:29pm
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That about sums it up, I'm sure my wife would agree

Her famous quote: "How can you listen to this, every song sounds the same only some are worse than others"

I still catch her grooving to Sugar Mag and Scarlet Begonia's on occasion when she thinks no one is watching.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 15, 2008 7:06pm
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Yep; thought the 73 set would be my chance--she insists Donna sounds almost as bad on Row Jimmy as on PITB!?! WTF? I do NOT agree, anti-post-71 as I am. She said "you can tell she's just laying low til she's ready to let loose"...

I can't win.

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Apr 16, 2008 5:58am
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hahahahaha

My wife flips when Donna starts singing / wailing. It is actually pretty funny if the wife is really starting to relax and enjoy the tune and then - Donna, sort of get a nails on blackboard reaction from the wife.

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Poster: WatchYourSpeed Date: Apr 16, 2008 5:25am
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Stage banter? Jerry? Miller must have the wrong band and his comments put the lie to his broader views of the band. In thousands of hours of live performances --whether as part of the GD or the JGB -- one would be hard pressed to find more than a handful of times where Jerry spoke beyond saying things like "goodnight" and "see you later" or some such thing. It was Bobby who usually spoke "We'll be back in just a little bit" etc. or telling his jokes and even his comments were playful or sarcastic "(e.g., Veneta "if don't know [where the children's tent is], you don't wanna know" or words to that effect.). In a world where people too frequently think they have to speak to be heard, Jerry proved a noticeably silent and quiet exception to that fallacy-- it was dignified and cool that he chose silence on stage and to speak through his guitar, his songs and his performances. It was never about Jerry but about the music..... WYS

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Poster: northstar dead Date: Apr 15, 2008 4:56am
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He sounds like a grumpy old fuckin man. fireeagle talks about seeing the old fart in the early 80's and how boring it was. Not surprising. It was dull and flat when he opened the shows I saw in 92'. I like a few Steve Miller songs and "Best of" was a main stay in my friends camaro back in high school. Has anyone checked his medication lately?

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Poster: Edsel Date: Apr 15, 2008 6:27am
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Nah, not sour grapes, bubble gum.
In Steve's world a+b=c, ignoring d-z, and d-z is where the good stuff can be found.

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Poster: Cranky1 Date: Apr 15, 2008 4:32am
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Oh well....another celeb steps in poopoo....

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Apr 14, 2008 8:26pm
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ouch!! Do you think he expressed his disdain for the band when he was opening for them in '92? I'm sure that money sucked too.

Too bad, I really liked Steve Miller when I was in middle school (fly like an eagle and book of dreams). I enjoyed watching him open for the dead.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 14, 2008 8:36pm
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Ouch # 2--this hurt me more than the news above...tell me it ain't so!

JK; but have to tell you they were the band to hate in the early 70s (Space Cowboy? Midnight Toker? Argh...)...Just MHO, but way to formula driven, too pop, too whatever.

Hot chili? Here are some lyrics to convince you to give up on SMB:

Hot chili is groovy
After a movie or watching TV
But when you order
South of the border
Soon you see
It's hotter than noon
It will melt your spoon
So buddy, you better get ready
For eatin' hot chili
It's not silly
To eat hot chili

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Apr 15, 2008 4:53am
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Well that is true, I heard an interview with him after abracadabra was big hit around 82 and he said that he loved pop songs and that the idea that the bigger the hit the better. Nothing better than a catchy line that everyone hums or sings all day.

As for my listening pleasures when in 6th and 7th grade, I do not apologize. Isn't that who should be listening to catchy pop tunes? What were you listening to in 6th grade?

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 15, 2008 7:57am
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Hey! Now I am going to be honest and tell you: Cream, and Hendrix, and I even brought the DEAD's first album to "music day" in sixth grade.

But, you are also looking at someone that hummed along to most of the Monkee's tunes when folks weren't around...

So, don't try to out geek the geek.

Back to SMB: I actually did agree that some of the early albums had some interesting stuff...it was more a "body of work" thing with me that after thirty years I came to the same reaction as He Lives, you know?

If we can't admit we liked all sorts of crap here, what good would the place be? Just the other day some one tried to tell me that there is a good show post 87...

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Apr 15, 2008 4:07pm
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Woooo hooooo !!!

Cap't & Tenille

Sonny & Cher

Brownsville Station

Stealer's Wheel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5frtsh853LE

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 15, 2008 7:01pm
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Know them all!

How about "watchin' Scottie grow"? Bleech...

Just so you know, they didn't let me play any of my albums that day in 6th grade. The hot (we had just started to notice) girls brought Crimson and Clover and Touch Me (hmmm) and those occupied the tiny little phonograph with a 45 adapter...Not that those were bad songs mind you; I had both on 45 as well...

Ah, memories...first kiss, first rejection...second rejection...damn, this is almost as much fun as the songs playing in my head.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Apr 15, 2008 4:20pm
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Shit, now I'm going to have Muskrat Love and Love will Keep us together playing in the am radio section of my memories. Damn you!

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Poster: He Live's Date: Apr 14, 2008 10:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Steve Miller = CHEESEBURGER IN PARADISE!

people like steve miller making "comments" and other people like REUTERS new service sharing them with others -- boy oh! this is the stuff the that makes this CULTURE go round and round, and you can't let go and you can't hang on -- it's just nonsense.


like WT says, taking these comments in a vacuum, and knowing full well that steve miller didn't do anything worth a shit besides, like, LITERALLY, 10 songs spread over 5 albums to make a greatest hits -- he should just go tour with A BIG'OL CHEESEBURGER IN PARADISE:

Tried to amend my carnivorous habits.
Made it nearly seventy days,
Losin' weight without speed, eatin' sunflower seeds,
Drinkin' lots of carrot juice and soakin' up rays.

But at night I'd have these wonderful dreams
Some kind of sensuous treat.
Not zucchini, fettuccini, or bulgur wheat,
But a big warm bun and a huge hunk of meat.

Cheeseburger is paradise.
Heaven on earth with an onion slice.
Not too particular, not too precise.
I'm just a cheeseburger in paradise.


(GOSH, buffet's lyrics just BLOW STEVE MILLER AWAY, i didn't even mean to point it out.... but throw Cheeseburger up against Chili -- damn, no contest!)

whoo hoo, a Parrot Head/Steve Miller TOUR! sign me up!



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Poster: fireeagle Date: Apr 15, 2008 12:14am
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ouch#3

steve miller made some great early albums, than some that were pretty average, returned to greatness for the short spell w/fly like an eagle./////after that it was all pop rock. what a shame. nevertheless i went to see his show w/high hopes in 81 or 82 and it was just very disappointing, shitty pop rock. thats what hes music is all about still. 2 fuckin sad

so this comment of his about gd comes as no surprise

i counted him out loooong time ago anyway

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Poster: user unknown Date: Apr 15, 2008 3:46pm
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"Fuck Steve Miller"

"Piss On Steve Miller"

"Steve Miller Is A Douche Bag"

And you people like to think LMA is so different from Deadhook. They sometimes mirror one another more than you'd like to admit.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Apr 15, 2008 4:16pm
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ah, but it's the absence of emoticons that keep me here....

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 15, 2008 7:17pm
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Me too.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Apr 15, 2008 7:30pm
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I just had a good time explaining to my newly turned 7 year old why I was laughing out loud at that while cautioning her it is not an appropriate gesture. "But Dad, you did it in the car and called that boy an asshole."

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Apr 15, 2008 8:57pm
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well, if she's already using "asshole", trust me, the finger's not far behind ... :)

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Apr 15, 2008 9:11pm
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Yep, it's too late. I'm such a poor role model. For example, when Bush comes on TV, she'll turn to me and ask if he's lying again. Poor kid has no shot...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 16, 2008 7:03am
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Sorry about that...damn, another youth corrupted. I should point out that I would be unable to undertake such antics without the kind help of TBolt and Arb.

Speaking of thanking someone for assistance, I really got a kick out of Colbert thanking Mr Peabody and his "boy" Sherman for his Peabody Award.

Frickin funny...

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Poster: patourkid Date: Apr 15, 2008 4:30pm
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LOLOL!!!! yeah there were a lot of emocons thrown around when we went over the whole fuck Steve Miller thing a few days ago.LOLOL!!!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 15, 2008 7:19pm
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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Apr 15, 2008 3:06pm
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Steve Miller is too fucking stupid to have sour grapes. Having him on a creative music panel would be like calling my kids school play Shakespearian. This isn't the first time he's dissed the Grateful Dead, and there's no reason for it other than what I see as envy. The swill he's introduced to the American public has all been AM radio crap that is sometimes worse than formula hits. Not to mention that he stands there proud of pimping it.

"while robbing his Gas-O" That's deep.

Fuck Steve Miller

Fuck him.